Welcome to the Leadership Lab podcast! In this episode, host Jamie McKinney sits down with Dena Lund, a trailblazing retired CEO and chemical engineer with three decades of experience leading organizations through transition and growth in the oil and gas industry. 

Jamie and Dena dive into the all-too-common challenge of making your voice heard in the workplace, especially when pitching new ideas or advocating for change. Drawing on both scientific research and hard-won career lessons, Dena shares her "5x Rule," the proven strategy that meaningful change often requires voicing your ideas multiple times, in multiple ways, before they gain traction. 

Through engaging stories - like how she and her colleagues navigated a high-stakes decision that needed to be asked five different times - Dena offers practical advice on influencing decisions, aligning with values, gaining allies, and persisting through initial resistance. 

Whether you're looking to master the art of the ask, advocate for yourself, or lead your team through tough transitions, this episode is packed with actionable insights and inspiring encouragement to help you experiment, grow, and find your authentic leadership voice.

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