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Special Guest Stanley Vaganov | Open AI's Sora is WILD | Jail time for Charlie | Claude 4.5 launch
On the Gregory and Paul Show, we break down the latest in startups, SaaS, AI, memes, and whatever the internet is debating this week.
This episode welcomes designer Stanley from Be Curious Studio to riff with Gregory and Paul on OpenAI’s Sora launch, the rise of AI “slop tools,” fraud fallout in startup land, Claude’s coding edge, Gemini 3.0, and why everyone is suddenly building “AI friends.” Plus: Reddit stock drama, Canva outages, and the meme of the week.
️ Episode 017 – Highlights
Gregory’s Empty House + Steve Jobs Vibes (0:07)
Gregory streams from an empty apartment, channeling the iconic “bed and lamp” Steve Jobs photo. The crew riffs on startup aesthetics and whether Mad Men or Silicon Valley culture won.
Guest Intro: Stanley, Creative Director (4:52)
Stanley shares his work blending brand, product, and sensory design—and why raw, unpolished conversations matter more than staged media.
OpenAI’s Sora: TikTok or Gimmick? (10:46)
Sora lets you generate deepfake-style videos of yourself in any scenario. Gregory finds it technically stunning but gimmicky, Paul sees massive remix potential, and Stanley warns it’ll be defined by creators—or flooded with garbage.
OpenAI’s $150B Valuation (27:13)
Now worth more than SpaceX, OpenAI’s valuation climb sparks debate. Jensen Huang even called it a “$10T company.” Employees mostly hold onto stock—betting on the upside.
⚖️ Fraud Watch: The Frank Scandal (28:26)
Founder Charlie Javice goes to prison for selling fake users to JPMorgan. Gregory highlights the engineer who refused to participate—avoiding jail by standing his ground. Lesson: saying no can save your career.
Claude Sonnet 4.5 (33:00)
Anthropic doubles down on coding. Paul calls Claude the best developer model, Stanley compares prompt precision to communication mastery, and Gregory explains why he still defaults to ChatGPT.
Token Pricing = AOL Minutes? (39:00)
The team compares AI tokens to 1990s “internet minutes.” Painful now, but destined to disappear as costs fall.
Reddit Stock Dips 14% (47:45)
MAUs drop and reporters panic over ChatGPT citation data. Paul says it’s a healthy correction after a 113% run-up. Gregory bought the dip.
ChatGPT Checkout (49:42)
OpenAI experiments with shopping inside ChatGPT. Gregory sees it as proof of real monetization pathways—ads, shopping, fintech. Paul raises the Apple tax question.
AI Friends & Bully Bots (53:12)
AI companions flood the market. The “Friend” device flops in New York. Gregory imagines a bully AI that bosses you around. Stanley wants a tax AI. Paul just wants no extra friends.
Canva Goes Down Gracefully (59:37)
Canva’s outage status page earns praise for its clean UX—Gregory compares it to Twitter’s fail whale.
Meme of the Week (1:00:51)
E-commerce “ignore previous instructions” prompt injection memes, plus Gregory’s viral take on $30k baby naming consultants (“meet Taco Bell Gordas™”).
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By The Gregory and Paul ShowOn the Gregory and Paul Show, we break down the latest in startups, SaaS, AI, memes, and whatever the internet is debating this week.
This episode welcomes designer Stanley from Be Curious Studio to riff with Gregory and Paul on OpenAI’s Sora launch, the rise of AI “slop tools,” fraud fallout in startup land, Claude’s coding edge, Gemini 3.0, and why everyone is suddenly building “AI friends.” Plus: Reddit stock drama, Canva outages, and the meme of the week.
️ Episode 017 – Highlights
Gregory’s Empty House + Steve Jobs Vibes (0:07)
Gregory streams from an empty apartment, channeling the iconic “bed and lamp” Steve Jobs photo. The crew riffs on startup aesthetics and whether Mad Men or Silicon Valley culture won.
Guest Intro: Stanley, Creative Director (4:52)
Stanley shares his work blending brand, product, and sensory design—and why raw, unpolished conversations matter more than staged media.
OpenAI’s Sora: TikTok or Gimmick? (10:46)
Sora lets you generate deepfake-style videos of yourself in any scenario. Gregory finds it technically stunning but gimmicky, Paul sees massive remix potential, and Stanley warns it’ll be defined by creators—or flooded with garbage.
OpenAI’s $150B Valuation (27:13)
Now worth more than SpaceX, OpenAI’s valuation climb sparks debate. Jensen Huang even called it a “$10T company.” Employees mostly hold onto stock—betting on the upside.
⚖️ Fraud Watch: The Frank Scandal (28:26)
Founder Charlie Javice goes to prison for selling fake users to JPMorgan. Gregory highlights the engineer who refused to participate—avoiding jail by standing his ground. Lesson: saying no can save your career.
Claude Sonnet 4.5 (33:00)
Anthropic doubles down on coding. Paul calls Claude the best developer model, Stanley compares prompt precision to communication mastery, and Gregory explains why he still defaults to ChatGPT.
Token Pricing = AOL Minutes? (39:00)
The team compares AI tokens to 1990s “internet minutes.” Painful now, but destined to disappear as costs fall.
Reddit Stock Dips 14% (47:45)
MAUs drop and reporters panic over ChatGPT citation data. Paul says it’s a healthy correction after a 113% run-up. Gregory bought the dip.
ChatGPT Checkout (49:42)
OpenAI experiments with shopping inside ChatGPT. Gregory sees it as proof of real monetization pathways—ads, shopping, fintech. Paul raises the Apple tax question.
AI Friends & Bully Bots (53:12)
AI companions flood the market. The “Friend” device flops in New York. Gregory imagines a bully AI that bosses you around. Stanley wants a tax AI. Paul just wants no extra friends.
Canva Goes Down Gracefully (59:37)
Canva’s outage status page earns praise for its clean UX—Gregory compares it to Twitter’s fail whale.
Meme of the Week (1:00:51)
E-commerce “ignore previous instructions” prompt injection memes, plus Gregory’s viral take on $30k baby naming consultants (“meet Taco Bell Gordas™”).