Kayne and Tom talk with Steve Gentry about his FedRAMP experience and the lessons learned. Costs to consider, how to build controls thoughtfully and where you should consider FedRAMP control initiatives in the context of a business discussion. Of course we threw another drink in Kayne’s hands for review. This time it's a fermented drink, not a brewed drink. Welcome to the world of ciders Kayne, a short leap from wine.