After a Liberal trouncing in Ontario, a potential red wipe-out in Quebec this fall, and thirty years of no provincially competitive Liberal party in Western Canada, the vultures are circling over the federal Liberals soon to enter the post-Trudeau era. Were the Liberals in 2011 on an inevitable downward spiral that only the celebrity and charm of Justin Trudeau could temporarily abate, or can another Grit don his mantle and save Canada's "natural governing party" from possible ruin? 

Your hosts, Jacob and Liam discuss the trouble with Trudeau: can't live with him, but if you're the federal Liberals, maybe they just can't live without him.