Rick welcomes writer, director & co-host of the Midnight Mass podcast, Michael Varrati to the show. We get into Michael's origin in horror via late night cable, his mom's willingness to watch a Killer Tomato double feature with him, Friday The 13th the series, Rick's crush on Robey, Canadian TV thrillers, the myriad of cursed objects on the show, David Cronenberg directing an episode & more!

We also discussed his movie, There's A Zombie Outside, how Rick watched & enjoyed it, the movie's unexpected twist, the love of creating with your community, the dialogue, how the film challenges its audience & more!

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