Tamar Garb is joined by Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, South African National Research Chair in Violent Histories and Transgenerational Trauma, for a conversation about her work and recent interventions into a very difficult political and social landscape in South Africa. Pumla uses social psychology and psychoanalysis to discuss the ongoing threat and challenge of racism, the intergenerational inheritance of trauma, and the notion of the aesthetic as a site for reparative humanism.

Transcript: www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-pumla-gobodo-madikizela

This conversation was recorded on 6th November 2020

Speakers: Tamar Garb, Durning Lawrence Professor in the History of Art at UCL // Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, South African National Research Chair in Violent Histories and Transgenerational Trauma at Stellenbosch University, and the 2020-2021 Walter Jackson Bate Fellow at the Harvard Radcliffe Institute

Producer and Editor: Kaissa Karhu

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