Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about proposed legislation that would allow the President to license private sector hackers to go after cybercrime groups. The bill won’t pass, but letting hackers loose on industrial-scale scam farms actually makes sense.

They also talk about Microsoft’s blind spot regarding China. It has trusted China-based engineers with sensitive work, and is now only just realising that China’s security interests are not compatible with Microsoft’s.

This episode is also available on Youtube.