Tom Uren and Patrick Gray discuss how the Signalgate messages betray an alarming lack of security nous at the highest levels of the US natsec leadership. It’s head-scratchingly bad.

They also discuss the possibility the Trump Administration will reconstitute the CSRB. The Board wasn’t perfect, but in our view it is better to get it started again rather than waiting for reviews to determine its perfect form.

This episode is also available on Youtube.