In this podcast Tom Uren and Patrick Gray discuss a US government policy initiative to cover cyber insurance gaps while also improving security across the economy. Lofty goals, but Tom wonders if it is a difficult way to address security gaps.

They also talk about what appears to be a hack and leak operation targeting the Trump campaign and a recent US federal court decision which ruled that geofence warrants are unconstitutional.

You can watch the video version of this episode here.