Tom Uren and Patrick Gray discuss Trump’s order singling out Chris Krebs, former head of CISA, that requires investigations into Krebs and also punishes his employer. It is a move deliberately designed to chill dissent and they look at what the cyber security industry will likely do in response, which is probably not much.

The pair also discuss what is being interpreted as an admission that Chinese senior leadership is behind the Volt Typhoon hacking of US critical infrastructure.

This episode is also available on Youtube.