We return with none other than the mighty wielder of 12-strings for the bands Elkhorn and Universal Light (and bassist / six string player for a bunch of others), Jesse Sheppard. The conversation meanders through the valleys and creeks of American Primitive, the USA underground, the musings of a lifetime spent making and being surrounded by amazing music, making videos, putting together the legendary 1000 Incarnations of the Rose Festival, and journeying through time, letting the music simply bloom along the way. Questions of community, orthodoxy in playing, and what drives us to create music thread through the conversation. Definitely one of the best chats I've had in ages. Huge thanks to Jesse for taking the time to talk.