Stan Grant & Kerry O’Brien

"I think that these great defenders of western civilisation think it is so weak that it will collapse if we have gender neutral bathrooms, it will collapse if we have a treaty with First Nations people, that these things are antithetical to liberalism. They're not." – Stan Grant

In a meeting of great journalistic minds, legendary reporters Stan Grant and Kerry O'Brien come together for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation on the state of the world. Stan's new book, With the Falling of the Dusk, investigates why the planet is being pushed to crisis and how we might avert it – weaving the personal along with the universal. Kerry draws on his 50-year career as both a news presenter and foreign correspondent covering national and global affairs. Together, they reflect on the human condition and our shared future.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.