Preventing Pain in the Pulpit: Interims and Sabbaticals. We are joined by Rich McCarrell (Interim Ministries Incorporated/ Serving Other Servants International) and Matt Hickok (Interim Ministries Incorporated/ Serving Other Servants International). Topics discussed include: Why are Interim Pastors Important? Pitfalls and Possibilities of Interims. The Rationale of a Sabbatical for Pastors. How to Make a Sabbatical Happen.  Originally Aired 6/3/25