I got a lot of criticism from the president at the time. That was in the buildup to the last 10 years of apartheid. We were trying to promote on merit and we weren't allowed. One had to have black people being promoted in black areas. But, we managed to win through a lot of trouble with Mr PW Botha who didn't like what we were doing. One of the young men concerned the one we made a manager, strangely enough, just the last week we heard, he's still a manager of one of our franchise stores.  He took law classes part time, he's about 50 something. And he just told me he's passed, he's got a supreme court degree and he got 10 distinctions. 

This was a little boy, walking past a Pick and Pay sign and he said: I'm  going to join that company one day. To me, it's fantastic when you hear such success stories come to you.  We've all got people like that who are dying to go further in life.  It's important to try and help them as we did.