On the eve of this year’s exciting Sithmas event, let’s travel back to the winter of 2023, for a conversation about how this multi-club event began:

How does a Star Wars meetup become a holiday tradition?

Every year, Pennsylvanian collector Mike De Stefano hosts Sithmas, a weekend event that celebrates Star Wars and the holidays.

The weekend kicks off with a Friday night meal, followed by Saturday’s main event. The day is packed with festivities - from a White Bantha gift exchange to a special dinner together, to tours of Mike’s three incredible Star Wars collection rooms.

This year, approximately 80 Star Wars collectors from EIGHT regional clubs - Seattle, Ontario, New York, the Northeast, Pennsylvania, D.C/Virginia, Ohio and Indiana - will travel to the Lancaster area to celebrate Sithmas with Mike at his home.

Join host David Quinn for a conversation with Mike, as Mike discusses how Sithmas began, how it evolved, and why it has become a must-attend event on the Star Wars collector calendar each December!

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If you were Lucasfilm’s leader, what would you do to turn around the flailing franchise?

What changes would you make to reignite the passionate fanbase again?

Which projects would you select to pave the path for a successful onscreen future?

And if you can envision a logical and reasonable plan, why is Lucasfilm struggling to do so?

Join host David Quinn as he produces a realistic strategy to deliver consistent and quality storytelling within the Star Wars franchise.

Learn which previously created stories would make fantastic adaptations as films and series. And see how a few changes can cover many beloved eras and characters in satisfying ways, for viewers of all ages.

This is one fan’s plan to return Star Wars to greatness. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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The Mandalorian returns in 2026.

However, in place of a fourth season of the beloved series, Din Djarin is destined for theaters, marking the first Star Wars movie in seven years.

And he won’t be traveling alone.

According to Disney’s newly-released trailer, his little pal Grogu is taking center stage, as the media company attempts to revive the galactic brand, to reignite a once-passionate fanbase, and to create a billion-dollar box-office blockbuster.

Join host David Quinn for a first look at the official trailer.



Which character from Jabba’s palace appears to be hunting the green-eared force user? 



What role do the Hutts play in the story?



Does Grogu’s charm and cuteness still resonate with a larger audience? 



And do Star Wars fans still care about The Mandalorian?

This is the beginning of a new era of Star Wars. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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After soaring to the stratosphere over the past decade, the legendary Star Wars prototype has returned to earth in 2025.

A Rocket-Firing Boba Fett, the first version of the figure Kenner created but never released, crossed the million-dollar mark at auction in the summer of 2024.

In December, one hand-painted example sold for $275,000. Six months later, at a June Goldin auction, a similar variant failed to generate interest, and shockingly ended at just under $104,000.

This month, a rarer J-slot version, estimated at $200,000, only reached $86,000 at Goldin.

Are these underperforming sales a short-term stumble, or do they point to a longer-term trend among Rocket Fetts and Star Wars collectibles?

Join host David Quinn for a fascinating look at the history of the Rocket-Firing Boba Fett: the early design process, why the figure was never released, and how it became the most iconic toy prototype in the world.

Learn how it rose in both interest and value through the various public auctions, and the factors that led to the surprising record prices and dips over the years.

This is the history of the Rocket Fett at auction. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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One of the best toy shows on the east coast is ending its run in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Next year, The Toys For The Ages Expo is moving to an all-new facility in Gettysburg, but the July show was a fitting way to say goodbye, in a spectacular way.

The Expo always offers some of the most desirable items for toy collectors, spanning many vintage and modern toy lines. And for Star Wars fans, the show was packed with rare carded figures, prototypes, vehicles, playsets and the accessories you need to complete your collectibles!

Join host David Quinn as he returns to Carlisle for the fourth year, in part two of the Toys For the Ages Expo weekend series.

Experience Saturday and Sunday through conversations with attendees, and hear recaps of the weekend from our fellow collectors. You won’t want to miss next year’s event in Gettysburg!

This is the story of one last collectors’ weekend in Carlisle. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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One of the best toy shows on the east coast is ending its run in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Next year, The Toys For The Ages Expo is moving to an all-new facility in Gettysburg, but last weekend’s show was a fitting way to say goodbye, and was a spectacular event.

The Expo always offers some of the most desirable items for toy collectors, spanning many vintage and modern toy lines. And for Star Wars fans, the show was packed with rare carded figures, prototypes, vehicles, playsets and the accessories you need to complete your collectibles!

Join host David Quinn as he returns to Carlisle for the fourth year, in part one of the Toys For the Ages Expo weekend series.

Tour the show with him during vendor setup, chat with fellow collectors, hear about some of the early Friday pickups, and learn why The Toys For The Ages Expo resonates with so many people.

This is only the beginning for the incredible Expo. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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https://www.prototypearchives.com/podcast

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/star-wars-prototypes-and-production/id1448205460

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https://open.spotify.com/show/744L0XQhmpXn2AZeaxUhOZ

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For Star Wars fans and toy collectors, a day at The Maryland Toy Expo is a fantastic way to kick off the summer season.

On June 14th, thousands of attendees traveled to the town of Timonium from various surrounding states, in the hopes of finding a special item from the Star Wars universe and from many other toy lines.

And the Expo had plenty of them. For Star Wars fans, the one-day show offered more than 300 vendor tables packed with carded and loose figures, prototypes, boxed vehicles and playsets, international items, and other desirable Star Wars rarities.

Join host David Quinn for part two of The Maryland Toy Expo experience, for Saturday’s main event.

This is a stellar way to spend a Saturday, in the company of friends and collectors. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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Why is The Maryland Toy Expo one of the best toy shows on the east coast for Star Wars collectors?

The summer toy show season kicked off in a major way, with a June trip to the town of Timonium for The Maryland Toy Expo.

The Expo offered Star Wars and toy collectors the opportunity to hunt for Kenner and Hasbro items across two massive buildings, featuring more than 300 vendor tables packed with carded and loose figures, prototypes, boxed vehicles and playsets, international items, and other desirable rarities.

Join host David Quinn for part one of The Maryland Toy Expo experience, as he explores the show during the Friday afternoon vendor setup.

This is why you need to be in Timonium for the fall show. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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The main event is finally here. And it’s the pinnacle of one of the greatest Star Wars collectors weekends ever.

In May of 2024, 200 collectors traveled to Kennesaw, Georgia for Rogue Fun, a multi-day Star Wars trip centering on collecting and connecting.

And on Saturday, May the Fourth, the Georgia Alliance hosted a 7-hour ballroom event, featuring dinner, room sales and five incredible Star Wars-themed panel presentations.

The panels covered the history of Star Wars and the Sears holiday catalogs, two legendary action figure customizers, the artist who introduced Boba Fett to the world in 1978, and Steve Sansweet and the authors of two of the most iconic books about collectibles.

And the presentations ended with a wildly funny and insightful chat with two former Kenner creatives who worked on the Kenner line and helped design some of the most beloved Star Wars figures and playsets.

The evening concluded with every collector’s dream: an epic room sales event in the ballroom. From Kenner to Hasbro, and from prototypes and production pieces, the event had enough Star Wars items for sale to fill an entire store!

Join host David Quinn for an in-depth look at day three of the memorable Rogue Fun weekend.

Featuring live moments and stories from Star Wars fans and collectors Rich Alot, Howard Bollinger, Lewis Brown, John Celestri, Tim Effler, Matt Fox, Jerry Hancock, Josie Harmon, Paul Harrison, Don Henderson, Erik Janniche, Bruce Lieberman, Jonathan McElwain, Doug Meyer, Maggie Moore, Shawn Moynihan, Narayan S. Naik, Steven J. Sansweet, Barry Scott, Ryan Shaw, Jason Smith, Tim Theall, Mike Tricomi, Vinny Tricomi, Jason Wasulko, Shannon Wasulko, Gary Ray Weaver, Glen Williams and many more!

This is the magic of the Star Wars collecting community at its peak. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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Have you met the man who first brought Boba Fett to life?

In 1978, John Celestri animated Boba Fett for his introduction in the Holiday Special, kicking off Star Wars fans’ nearly 50-year fascination with the mysterious bounty hunter.

During the May 4th weekend, John shared his experience with more than 150 collectors at the Rogue Fun weekend in Kennesaw, Georgia.

Learn more about John’s contribution to the world of Star Wars in the Rogue Fun panel “Animating Boba Fett and Beyond: A Conversation with John Celestri.”

Join host David Quinn for a look at the memorable presentation, and the story of Boba Fett, told for the first time by the animator who helped create the iconic character.

This is how an artist’s pencil can impact a galaxy. And this is Star Wars: Prototypes and Production!

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/star-wars-prototypes-and-production/id1448205460

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