Prison walls separate them. But what connects friends Christopher Blackwell and Katherin Hervey? A chunky bird or two, an unwavering belief that criminal justice reform can — and must — be done better, and a willingness to go deep… real deep into the messy chaos of simply being alive. Join the conversation.

As we get started, we want to learn more about you. Where are you listening from, what does your view look like, and what do you want Chris and Katherin to dive into on the pod? Email us at [email protected]. As a bonus for reaching out, we’ll send you Chris’ sketch of Chubbs, the “super fat raven” that everybody at the prison loves.