"Some people called it brave. A lot of people called it stupid too!" That's what coffee shop owner Ger O'Donohoe tells Ciaran on this week's podcast about his decision to open a second business in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Ciaran also talks to entrepreneur Connor Keppel, who is launching a tech startup.

Why did they decide to talk the plunge in these uncertain times, and how is it going for them?