Zoe Partington and Jos Boys from the Dis/Ordinary Architecture Project work with a network of disabled and deaf artist to develop models of new practice for the built environment, led by the creativity and experiences of those artists. In their regular meeting place in London we talk about how hard it is to challenge norms, who is enabled or disabled by existing spaces, and how their projects enable architecture students to explore built spaces beyond their usual perspective. (find references on fem-arc.net or in show notes)