Catherine, Rasheen and I respond to episodes 3 and 4 of Gimlet Media's StartUp Church Planting series.

We reference our conversation with AJ Smith, pastor of Restoration Church in Phillie. Check out part 1 and part 2 of that conversation.

I reference Duke University's The National Congregations Study during our conversation.

If you're interested in a different evangelical perspective on LGBTQ inclusion, I recommend Colby Martin's Unclobber and check out my written interview with Colby.

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