Check out James Olson's books: 

Fair Play: The Moral Dilemmas of Spying 

To Catch A Spy: The Art of Counterintelligence 

In this episode with James Olson, we discuss: 

1. Personal Journey and Public Service:

• James' Background and how he was contacted by the CIA 
• How did Jim get discovered by the CIA?

2. Historical Roots of Intelligence: 

• What are the historical roots of intelligence and its uses in history?

3. College Campuses and Higher Education in Espionage Operations: 

• How are the PRC and MSS infiltrating our higher education institutions in the US? 
• How do we combat the intrusion of the Chinese government in education?
• Why should college students care about these operations? 

4. Modern Intelligence Gathering and Operations: 

• What is the current state of US intelligence operations? What more should we be doing? 
• What is the difference between the Chinese Intelligence and US intelligence operations? 
• Will HUMINT always be essential to the mission? 
• What should the relationship between the public and intelligence agencies look like moving forward? 
• Is modern statecraft an Infinite or Finite game? 

5. Fair Play: Moral Dilemmas of Spying 

• Deciphering what is moral and immoral in spying. 
• Is intelligence a war weapon? Does it come under St. Thomas Aquinas' Just War Theory? 
• Spying in historical philosophies and arguments. 
• How did you ground yourself in your faith while undercover? 

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