In moments of crisis, people show up. But what does it mean to stay?

In this conversation, Ian McConnell sits down with Greg Meyer, founding pastor of Fabric (originally Jacob’s Well), to reflect on community in the midst of upheaval, and the deeper work of building something that lasts. Recorded during a period of intense disruption and fear in Minnesota, this episode explores why short-term surges of care matter, but why long-term commitment matters even more.

Together, Ian and Greg talk about the “three bowls” of community life (gathering, small groups, and personal practice), the difference between showing up for our preferences versus our purpose, and how real community asks us not only to receive care, but to offer it; to be present for others even when it’s inconvenient or uncomfortable.

This is a conversation about resisting isolation, choosing relationship over retreat, and weaving ourselves into something stronger than any one moment of crisis.

Come for the urgency. Stay for the wisdom.