In this bonus clip from Stay Tuned, Ben Rhodes discusses the value of personal relationships between world leaders, if it’s possible to be overly aspirational in speeches, and his real-time reaction to Trump’s 2016 election.

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REFERENCES AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS“Rare Harmony as China and U.S. Commit to Climate Deal,” New York Times, 9/3/16“A Timeline of Trump’s Strange Back-and-Forth With Kim Jong-un,” Rolling Stone, 2/26/19