Today’s guest Stephen Ramos has been my fellow band mate, business partner, and friend for the past 10 years now, and it was awesome to finally get him on the show. For anyone who has been wondering what the inside scoop is behind Hearts Like Lions’ name change, the rebrand, and a look into the ideas behind the newly formed band Wilder. - this one is for you! 

Wilder music: 

https://open.spotify.com/artist/0WjOmXeyNIMeAXc0KQ8xfa?si=XABSHQjIQjmwnJVpIFH6sQ

Wilder IG & Twitter: @thebandwilder

Rude Records: 

https://www.ruderecords.com/artists/wilder/

Defiance In Motion: 

Email: [email protected]

IG: @defianceinmotion