Rugby author Steve Hale joins the show to talk about his first rugby love, the meaning of the game at the grassroots level and its divide with pro rugby in New Zealand. We also talk about rugby recruitment and about his career as a writer for NZ Rugby News Magazine. 

Find out more about Steve Hale here: https://www.stevehalerugby.com/

Follow Steve on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveHa09255868