Joe shares the real-life story of creating a stickbird on holiday and watching its destruction from afar, then gets into why it's not important to know what's on Bandit's mind. Trudi, Rich and Beth discuss the design and animation challenges of an episode set at the beach and what went into making the epic final shot. And Rhi examines the pressures of an unconventional episode on production, and why conversation is key to knowing what to fight for.