It started out as a conversation on guns and then pivoted to a broad discussion on the Texas GOP, Republican leadership, and the future of the conservative movement.

This is a conversation that donors, activists, and elected officials should all hear.

Matt Rinaldi and Jonathan Stickland each have a lot of insights and putting them in a room together led to one of the most insightful conversations I’ve been a part of regarding Texas politics.

It’s worth your time. Take a listen.