In this episode we get to know Jo and Todd. Māori artists on the move. Having sold up their house and given away a lot of their possessions Todd and Jo have embarked on a journey of discovery. They are traveling Aotearoa New Zealand in a camper van exploring the country and its people. Todd is a skilled carver and sculptor of many things while Jo is a photographer who makes paper and has a weakness for collecting stones. In this engaging conversation we learn about their travels and their philosophies on being contemporary Māori artists and making while being on the road. Recorded at the 2023 Collaborationz event in Whangarei Jo and Todd are generous with their time and chat freely with Neville about their travels through the country and their artistic careers .