Before Zion can exist as a place, it has to exist as a way of seeing. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca reflect on blind spots, personal growth, and the quiet ways judgment creeps into faith. If Zion is defined by purity of heart, what does that demand of us individually? This conversation invites listeners to consider that building Zion may begin not with changing the world—but with changing how we look at the people in it.

Sing for Zion

 by Rebecca Burnham

Unity's not a single note

Bursting forth from a million throats

Nor a melody sung in unison

By a monochrome multitude

It's a glorious refrain in Jesus's name

Interweaving stories of grace and glory

In tones of gratitude

So bring Your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing Of His goodness of love that can't fail

And fling All your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone.

So sing out your story for Zion, let's build her today.

I tend to gather with folks like me

More comfortable when we agree.

A similar life reduces strife

Assures me I'm okay.

But if I would know God

Gonna need to walk

In the too-tight shoes

Of those, abused,

I judged and turned away.

So bring Your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing Of His goodness, of love that can't fail

And fling All your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone.

So sing out your story for Zion, let's build her today.

Let's never fear we don't belong.

The broken paths we've walked along

Have skinned our knees and bruised our very soul.

But Oh, the wonder of the grace

That found us in our darkest space.

Transformed, We testify He makes us whole.

So bring your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing of His goodness of love that can't fail

And fling all your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone. 

So sing out your story for Zion, we'll build her today.

We'll sing out our story for Zion. And in Zion stay.

Faith rarely moves in straight lines. Gunnar and Rebecca dig into genealogies, priesthood timelines, and the overlooked story of Mahalaleel to talk about generational faith. Why do some people learn quickly while others take decades—or longer? This episode explores patience, covenantal hope, and God’s long view of families. It’s a conversation for anyone praying for someone they love.

Most of us instinctively avoid resistance and pain. But what if opposition is not an obstacle to God’s plan—what if it is the plan? Drawing from Genesis and Moses, this episode explores how agency, resistance, and suffering shape divine character. Gunnar and Rebecca challenge the idea that ease equals righteousness. If you’ve ever wondered why God doesn’t just remove your trials, this conversation goes straight to the heart of the question.

When we hit Genesis 1–2, we often get rushed straight into arguing about how creation happened. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca step back and ask what the story is actually trying to show us about identity, purpose, and God’s intentions. They explore the repeated refrain “and it was good” and what it means to be good even while you’re still unfinished. They also talk about light vs. darkness and why light can't be overpowered by darkness. For darkness to reign, the light must first be extinguished. The conversation turns toward relationships: not hierarchy, not competition, but connection and support. If you’ve ever felt behind in your spiritual progress, this episode reframes the creation story as permission to breathe and keep becoming.

What if the hardest parts of your life weren’t assigned—but chosen? In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that premortal choosing wasn’t abstract, but deeply personal. They connect Christ’s “Here am I, send me” to Isaiah’s call and to our own lives. That perspective doesn’t minimize suffering—but it can give it meaning. If we volunteered knowing growth required pain, then endurance becomes participation, not punishment. This is a conversation about courage, consent, and eternal purpose.

The Old Testament is full of messy families, broken covenants, and hard lessons—and that may be its greatest strength. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore why imperfection does not disqualify people from God’s work. They reflect on how faith operates across generations and why covenant promises often outlive the people who make them. The discussion reframes divine restraint as love rather than distance. By examining both scripture and lived experience, they argue that God’s consistency is found in patience, not punishment. This episode invites listeners to see their own families reflected in sacred history.

Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that Christmas was not merely a quiet moment in a stable, but a cosmic celebration echoing promises made long before mortality. They examine the role of the heavenly hosts in Luke 2 and connect that rejoicing to premortal and postmortal celebrations described in scripture. The discussion reframes Christmas as a pivotal milestone in the eternal plan of salvation. Gunnar shares musical insights behind his original setting of the nativity account, highlighting how music captures eternal joy in ways words alone cannot. The episode invites listeners to see Christmas as heaven’s affirmation that redemption was finally underway. It closes with a call to experience Christmas as participants—not spectators—in that celebration.

Gunnar and Rebecca explore how to apply the Proclamation in families that include LGBTQ members or others who feel they don't fit traditional patterns. They discuss Elder Cook’s teachings on compassion and inclusion, as well as modern Church resources that urge love, listening, and understanding. Their conversation highlights how families can remain united even when navigating difficult terrain. They describe real experiences of growth that came from listening rather than lecturing. Throughout the episode, they affirm that every person is a beloved child of Heavenly Parents. The message is bold yet deeply compassionate.

This episode explores the turbulent history behind Official Declarations 1 and 2, emphasizing the human and spiritual struggles that surrounded both decisions. Gunnar and Rebecca outline the legal pressure, family separation, and emotional trauma experienced during the end of plural marriage, showing how deeply the Saints wrestled with obedience when the cost felt overwhelming. They then shift to the priesthood restriction, examining its murky origins, the cultural assumptions of the 19th century, and the long process leading to the 1978 revelation. The conversation highlights the difficulty of sustaining prophetic leadership during periods of doctrinal transition. Gunnar and Rebecca also consider what Article of Faith 9 demands of a people who claim to believe in ongoing revelation. Listeners are invited to examine how divine guidance often unfolds slowly, painfully, and purposefully – and that ultimately, God’s pattern of revealing truth is deeply tied to human readiness.

This episode explores D&C 137–138 through the lens of judgment, desire, and the remarkable consistency of God’s love. Gunnar and Rebecca dive deep into Joseph Smith’s vision of the celestial kingdom and Joseph F. Smith’s expansive revelation of the spirit world. They discuss why God judges both works and desires, and what that means for discipleship today. Powerful scriptural connections—Moroni 7, Alma 34, Romans 8—illuminate how intent shapes eternity. They also confront difficult questions about infant mortality, grief, and hope as they wrestle honestly with suffering, hope, and the Lord’s promise that “all things work together for good.” A rich blend of doctrine, narrative, and spiritual insight. Listeners walk away with a clearer view of God’s mercy and a deeper appreciation for what “line upon line” truly means.