Some people wrestle with church leaders. Others wrestle with culture. But what happens when you wrestle directly with God? Abraham pleads. The brother of Jared petitions. A desperate Gentile mother refuses to leave. Again and again, scripture shows that holy wrestling draws us closer to God, not farther away from Him. In this episode, Rebecca and Gunnar explore the difference between rebellion and relationship—and why wrestling may actually be a form of embrace.

Rebecca and Gunnar explore Hagar’s story as one of the most intimate covenant moments in scripture. They talk about power, blindness, and what it means to be unseen by people but fully seen by God. Rebecca reflects on oppression, gender, and inherited assumptions, while Gunnar probes how God remains just without abandoning imperfect servants. The conversation doesn’t rush past discomfort. Instead, it lingers where grace meets pain. This episode offers hope to anyone who has felt overlooked, minimized, or dismissed. It testifies that God’s covenants reach farther than human status.

Gunnar and Rebecca discuss the story of Noah not as an escape plan, but as a blueprint for carrying people through inevitable storms. Joined by special guests Kim and LaVar Kofoed, they reflect on what it means to build something capable of holding faith, family, and love when control is impossible. Drawing on scripture and lived experience, the conversation centers on preparation without panic, trust without certainty, and why love—not fear—is what ultimately keeps the ark afloat. 

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CONNECTION 

All sing 

We all just want to have a connection 

yearning for love and craving affection                      

Can we see what God sees?                           

His family with the same needs

Colette

We all see the world from a different view

We all come from a different place

Kylie

Brothers, Sisters, do we believe it’s true?

Every person, every race

Colette 

All creation in our variety 

all unique not one is the same

Kylie 

All the people in this wide world 

He knows all and each one by name (and)

All sing 

We all just want to have a connection 

yearning for love and craving affection    

Can we see what God sees?                           

His family with the same needs

Hate, lies and fear it’s time to surrender

Time to forgive and time to remember

Take down the walls of strife                           

give value to every life

Tara 

Like my brother I want to live in peace

Like my sister I want respect

Kyler

Is there one that doesn’t need food to eat?

clothes to wear and a safe place to rest?

Tara

Can I feel that I am your equal, 

whether I am rich or poor?

Kyler

Not ashamed to call me your brother 

meet my gaze when you pass my door (‘cause)

All sing 

We all just want to have a connection 

yearning for love and craving affection    

Can we see what God sees?                           

His family with the same needs

Hate, lies and fear it’s time to surrender

Time to forgive and time to remember

Take down the walls of strife                           

give value to every life

Shalese                  

God our Creator, is Father of us all

*His love and mercy

redeem us when we Fall

All sing 

Each and every child 

Is precious in His sight                         

Can we see with His eyes?

Will we see through His eyes?

Lisette, Brynlee, Jacey (Kimberly)

We all just want to have a connection

Yearning for love and craving affection

Can we see what God sees? His family with the same needs 

All sing 

Hate, lies and fear it’s time to surrender

Time to forgive and time to remember

Take down the walls of strife                           

give value to every life…

Before Zion can exist as a place, it has to exist as a way of seeing. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca reflect on blind spots, personal growth, and the quiet ways judgment creeps into faith. If Zion is defined by purity of heart, what does that demand of us individually? This conversation invites listeners to consider that building Zion may begin not with changing the world—but with changing how we look at the people in it.

Sing for Zion

 by Rebecca Burnham

Unity's not a single note

Bursting forth from a million throats

Nor a melody sung in unison

By a monochrome multitude

It's a glorious refrain in Jesus's name

Interweaving stories of grace and glory

In tones of gratitude

So bring Your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing Of His goodness of love that can't fail

And fling All your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone.

So sing out your story for Zion, let's build her today.

I tend to gather with folks like me

More comfortable when we agree.

A similar life reduces strife

Assures me I'm okay.

But if I would know God

Gonna need to walk

In the too-tight shoes

Of those, abused,

I judged and turned away.

So bring Your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing Of His goodness, of love that can't fail

And fling All your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone.

So sing out your story for Zion, let's build her today.

Let's never fear we don't belong.

The broken paths we've walked along

Have skinned our knees and bruised our very soul.

But Oh, the wonder of the grace

That found us in our darkest space.

Transformed, We testify He makes us whole.

So bring your uniqueness, your challenging tale

And sing of His goodness of love that can't fail

And fling all your fear of rejection far, far away.

I need your perspective to balance my own

'Cause no single culture builds Zion alone. 

So sing out your story for Zion, we'll build her today.

We'll sing out our story for Zion. And in Zion stay.

Faith rarely moves in straight lines. Gunnar and Rebecca dig into genealogies, priesthood timelines, and the overlooked story of Mahalaleel to talk about generational faith. Why do some people learn quickly while others take decades—or longer? This episode explores patience, covenantal hope, and God’s long view of families. It’s a conversation for anyone praying for someone they love.

Most of us instinctively avoid resistance and pain. But what if opposition is not an obstacle to God’s plan—what if it is the plan? Drawing from Genesis and Moses, this episode explores how agency, resistance, and suffering shape divine character. Gunnar and Rebecca challenge the idea that ease equals righteousness. If you’ve ever wondered why God doesn’t just remove your trials, this conversation goes straight to the heart of the question.

When we hit Genesis 1–2, we often get rushed straight into arguing about how creation happened. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca step back and ask what the story is actually trying to show us about identity, purpose, and God’s intentions. They explore the repeated refrain “and it was good” and what it means to be good even while you’re still unfinished. They also talk about light vs. darkness and why light can't be overpowered by darkness. For darkness to reign, the light must first be extinguished. The conversation turns toward relationships: not hierarchy, not competition, but connection and support. If you’ve ever felt behind in your spiritual progress, this episode reframes the creation story as permission to breathe and keep becoming.

What if the hardest parts of your life weren’t assigned—but chosen? In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that premortal choosing wasn’t abstract, but deeply personal. They connect Christ’s “Here am I, send me” to Isaiah’s call and to our own lives. That perspective doesn’t minimize suffering—but it can give it meaning. If we volunteered knowing growth required pain, then endurance becomes participation, not punishment. This is a conversation about courage, consent, and eternal purpose.

The Old Testament is full of messy families, broken covenants, and hard lessons—and that may be its greatest strength. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore why imperfection does not disqualify people from God’s work. They reflect on how faith operates across generations and why covenant promises often outlive the people who make them. The discussion reframes divine restraint as love rather than distance. By examining both scripture and lived experience, they argue that God’s consistency is found in patience, not punishment. This episode invites listeners to see their own families reflected in sacred history.

Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that Christmas was not merely a quiet moment in a stable, but a cosmic celebration echoing promises made long before mortality. They examine the role of the heavenly hosts in Luke 2 and connect that rejoicing to premortal and postmortal celebrations described in scripture. The discussion reframes Christmas as a pivotal milestone in the eternal plan of salvation. Gunnar shares musical insights behind his original setting of the nativity account, highlighting how music captures eternal joy in ways words alone cannot. The episode invites listeners to see Christmas as heaven’s affirmation that redemption was finally underway. It closes with a call to experience Christmas as participants—not spectators—in that celebration.