In honor of National Stillbirth Prevention & Awareness Day (September 19), we’re sharing an episode that brings legal insight and lived experience into one powerful conversation.
Hosts Jackie Celske and Ali Maahs sit down with Jill Wieber Lens—a law professor, loss mom, author and national advocate working to change how stillbirth is understood, researched, and talked about in this country.
Jill shares the story of her son, Caleb, and how her loss propelled her into a unique lane of advocacy—using her legal expertise to elevate the conversation around stillbirth as not just a personal tragedy, but a public health issue.
Together, we discuss:

• Stillbirth statistics and examples of global prevention efforts
• Why stillbirth is often overlooked in both public health and policy conversations
• The language we use around loss and why this matters
• The urgent need for better data, deeper research, and real change in how we support families experiencing pregnancy loss

Whether you're a grieving parent, a provider, or someone who wants to understand how to help—this episode is a call to listen, learn, and advocate.
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