What if the reason you're exhausted isn't because you're doing it wrong — but because you're doing too much? Nell Derick Debevoise Dewey (Nell3D) is here to challenge the most dangerous assumption in modern leadership: that progress always comes from piling more on.

In this episode, we unpack:

Why high-capacity, values-driven leaders are drowning in ambition — not lack of it

The Leading in 3D Framework: aligning Me, We, and World as a stable, sustainable triad — not a trade-off

What Nell learned the hard way — from frontline work in the West Bank to a head-on collision with a 10-ton truck — about the cost of doing too much

The three-step subtraction process: Stop (gather real data), Drop (minimum effort for desired results), Roll (connect to the system)

What horses can teach corporate leaders about energy conservation, minimal communication, and detecting inauthenticity

Nell Derick Debevoise Dewey, known as Nell3D, is a Harvard-trained subtraction strategist, author, and speaker. Based in Montana, she blends systems thinking, equine wisdom, and two decades of global leadership development to help difference-makers lead with more impact, not more effort.

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00] Introduction — why exhausted leaders are struggling with too much, not too little

[01:26] Interview begins

[00:49] From the West Bank of Palestine to Manhattan: making a difference in different contexts

[04:42] The upstream metaphor — who's throwing babies in the river?

[07:45] The Leading in 3D Framework: aligning Me, We, and World

[11:19] Personal sacrifice, loss, and what Nell learned the hard way

[13:05] A head-on collision and the birth of systematic subtraction

[16:34] Subtraction is not minimalism — it's a systems approach

[21:41] Step 1 — Stop: the most important step most leaders skip

[25:35] For difference-makers: why helpers are the worst at helping themselves

[28:24] What horses teach us about leadership, energy, and inauthenticity

[33:53] Predator-prey dynamics in corporate environments

[36:08] Navigating bullies: energy conservation in practice

[40:25] How to find Nell and access her Substack

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