Fervent Four

Stop Caring What People Think or You'll Never Survive Being Seen


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Public exposure sounds exciting until you live inside it.

Years of live television forced Kristen Crowley into visibility before she was ready, stripping away approval, confidence, and privacy. What followed wasn't polish. It was survival. This conversation explores what public pressure does to identity, why most people break under scrutiny, and how repeated exposure reshapes who you become.

If you're building something publicly, whether in entrepreneurship, leadership, or creative work, this episode confronts the psychological cost no one prepares you for. Halfway through, Crowley explains the exact moment she stopped caring what people thought, and why everything changed after that.

00:00 – Pressure is not a metaphor 03:12 – Thrown into live TV with no training 08:41 – Public criticism and psychological cost 14:27 – When confidence stopped mattering 20:05 – Identity versus approval 26:18 – From television to entrepreneurship 32:44 – "We have fun and we get shit done" 36:10 – "Fuck your feelings" explained 41:52 – Visibility, ego, and survival 48:30 – Why most people break under exposure 55:40 – What survives when approval is gone

Learn more about Kristen's work at ReFRAME Your Brand: https://reframeyourbrand.com/

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Fervent FourBy Zack Miller, Tim Ryan