In this episode, Alison interviews Chaley about her favorite self-awareness tool — the Enneagram. Whether you know your type, wings, and center of intelligence or brand new to the numbers, this conversation will help you see yourself (and others) with more compassion. Chaley breaks down what the Enneagram is, how it differs from other personality frameworks, and why knowing your pattern can be the first step to healing, growing, and taking things less personally.

Plus: real-life moments that proved we’re still works in progress.