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Stop Using ChatGPT for Sales Routing — It's Killing Your Pipeline | Francis Brero, MadKudu

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What if you could reverse-engineer your best salespeople's instincts into a repeatable algorithm? Francis Brero, co-founder of MadKudu and Stanford-trained engineer, did exactly that. In this episode, Francis breaks down how he went from building math algorithms to cracking the code on buying signals — and why most companies are using AI completely wrong in their sales process. From ICP analysis to machine learning explainability, this conversation will reshape how you think about data-driven selling and why empathy for your sales team is your most underrated competitive advantage.

 

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • Why your ICP is just a lagging indicator — and what signals actually predict who's ready to buy
  • The dangerous truth about using ChatGPT for sales routing (and what to use instead)
  • How top reps close deals on instinct — and how to systematize that genius for your whole team
  • The hidden friction between sales and data science that's killing your conversion rates
  • Why automation without process is just expensive chaos

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    CHAPTERS

    • 0:00 – The "Dark Side" of Sales: How a Math Engineer Fell in Love with Selling
    • 3:00 – From Stanford Algorithms to Buying Signals: The MadKudu Origin Story
    • 8:00 – Why Your ICP Is Broken (And How to Go Deeper)
    • 14:00 – Job Postings, Tech Stacks & LinkedIn: The Signals Most Reps Ignore
    • 20:00 – AI & Machine Learning in Sales: What's Real vs. What's Hype
    • 28:00 – The Black Box Problem: Why ChatGPT Is Dangerous for Sales Routing
    • 36:00 – How MadKudu's AI Agents Are Shipping Code & Closing Proposals
    • 44:00 – Case Study: Millions of Users, Broken Routing & the Sales-Data Alignment Fix
    • 52:00 – Why Your Best Reps Can't Explain What Makes Them Great
    • 58:00 – Empathy Is the Missing Sales Skill No One Talks About

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      Guest Information 

      Francis Brero, Co-Founder & CPO, MadKudu

      Turning buying signals into closed deals

      Connect with Francis Brero

      LinkedIn: /francisbrero
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      Website: https://www.madkudu.com/

       

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