Post MacDonald, and the publication of "Fatal Vision" there came more MacDonald, paper backs of Joe's book, the NBC Mini-Series, Duke Hospital, the legal process, and then a multi-years drama over whether MacDonald should get a new trial.

Though it all, there were many conversations with Wade and Joe and finally. in 2012, there was a Hearing in Federal Court, where I spent the better part of an afternoon as a witness.

It would take eleven more years, the summer of 2023, before a ruling by the Supreme Court ended it all.

It has been a long time since 1979, a trial, and the beginning of two life-long friendships.

This Podcast are the final stories from that time. I am glad they were on my side.