“I think there’s a new way for us to think about how we live in a post-perimeter world,” says Niloofar Razi Howe, an ex-venture capitalist and RSA’s Senior VP and Chief Strategy Officer, and Asheem Chandna of Greylock Partners, in a conversation at StoryCorps @ RSAC.

The two met in San Francisco at RSA Conference 2016 to talk about the future of technology, artificial intelligence, and the way cybersecurity will have to rethink itself to meet those challenges.