Teachers use AI to build the lesson. Teachers use AI to grade the lesson. Students use AI, and it's cheating.Maurice Dragon, CIO of Orange County Public Schools, thinks the AI cheating conversation in K-12 has almost nothing to do with students. The same assignment can earn an A+ in first period and a zero in second. The work didn't change, the adult reading it did.James Symons opens by asking whether AI is going to destroy our children. What follows is a conversation about what AI actually threatens in education: productive struggle, the processes we've assumed were the point, and which of those are still worth protecting.Maurice also traces his path from teaching first grade in Florida, burning 300 alphabet DVDs one weekend because only one student in his class had a computer at home, to leading technology for one of the largest districts in the country. And he makes the case that AI implemented well will increase human connection in classrooms, not reduce it.(00:00) Welcome to the messy middle
(00:56) "Is AI going to destroy our children?"
(01:36) What AI takes away: productive struggle
(01:58) The Dark Ages, and why we stop valuing skills
(07:10) Where has education focused on the wrong things?
(08:54) Math at a scale humans can't reach alone
(13:18) What's too simple to hand to AI?
(13:32) A+ in one class, cheating in the next
(23:47) What Maurice is most optimistic about
(24:43) Why human connection increases, not decreases
(26:41) The workload teachers carry after hours
(28:12) The mixed message schools send students
(30:31) 40 math problems and the point of practice
(31:20) First grade teacher to district CIO
(32:41) Burning 300 DVDs for kids without computers
(36:44) The juice bottle: leading humans first
(41:37) What first grade teaching and the CIO role share
(43:32) What Maurice's team would tell him to work on
(47:14) When people stop emailing you
(49:46) Closing thoughtsGuest: Maurice Dragon, Chief Information Officer, Orange County Public SchoolsHost: James SymonsWatch the full conversation on YouTube: https://youtu.be/8c9kOv3gskw