Join the guys as they journey through the avant-garde and the fear of being thirty in an era of experimentation and risk taking in exploring the depth of experimentation with their guest - songwriter, producer, and engineer Lorenzo Gordon - who shares his peculiar journey en route to his present day successes and why creativity is no longer unique, Trusting yourself is an important part of 30, How are you going to make 30 stand out? Embracing fear and failure is a continuing theme of our 30s.