In this episode, Megan Notarte and Jason Grigsby discuss the challenges of outdated legacy applications and how to approach their modernization. They differentiate between desktop-only and client-server applications and provide insights into the different paths for modernization. They emphasize the importance of incremental modernization and setting priorities based on user value and business opportunities. The conversation also covers the role of design systems in modernization efforts and the need to treat applications as products. They highlight the significance of performance and technical considerations, as well as selling the modernization effort internally. The episode concludes with a discussion on building a solid foundation for long-term success.