In this powerful episode of Stuck(ish) Stories, therapist and returning guest Jillian joins me to unpack the dark sides of leadership—specifically in high-control, high-demand environments. While these patterns are often associated with religious spaces, we explore how they also show up in educational, professional, and other hierarchical systems. Jillian and I share parallel stories of surviving toxic leadership, each from our own context, and reflect on the long road of healing, reclaiming autonomy, and rediscovering trust. This conversation is a raw, honest dive into what it means to navigate leadership trauma and come out the other side with your integrity intact.