Like a lot of you out there, Diversifying host Delyanne Barros used student loans to pull herself out of poverty – but she had to pay back a staggering amount: $150,000. Lately, she and her sister have been thinking about whether or not their loans were worth it — and how the American financial system asks us to take on debt to get ahead.

Guests include Nathalia Copeland, who, in addition to being Delyanne’s little sister, is also a business coach and founder of I Speak Social and Washington Post Higher Education Reporter Danielle Douglas-Gabriel.  

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