In this interview months in the making, Eric sits down with Zoë Herr and Sandy Pellerano. Both are pursuing a doctorate in the sciences, but in fresh and unexpected areas: Zoë is studying the role of Hope in scientific research, and Sandy is among the first ever class to get a PhD in Happiness and the Science of Human Flourishing. It turns out, Hope and Happiness are not achieved by luck or circumstance, but have scientific underpinnings. The key to both? COURAGE.