Dan and Ed share their personal experiences as educators searching for ways to improve our public schools. They share examples, such as creating a variety of experiential programs both within the public school system and outside of it, like the immersive programs Ed developed which later became Crow Canyon. They touch on many of the key insights common among teachers and educators about what needs to be done to improve our schools and how we can remove antiquated structures that limit teaching and learning.  Ed shares experiences as a teacher that still have the potential to open the coercive model that limits student growth. Both explain why they went on quests to find other ways and insights into education that support natural learning and that challenge students to make a contribution.