Suffering often feels like the last thing we’d choose. Yet hidden inside it is the teacher we’ve been avoiding, and the medicine we’ve been seeking.

In this conversation with Robbie J. Bone and Dane Wolfe, we explore the razor’s edge of being human and how judgment, grief, and struggle can become gateways into freedom, self-love, and truth. From stories of heartbreak and healing to the laughter that cuts through illusion, this is a meditation on suffering as the path and truth as the cure.

Because in the end, what weighs us down can also be what wakes us up.