Tyler sits down with Chad Bird of 1517 and talks about all kinds of suffering. As an Old Testament scholar, Chad shares about how God uses suffering in the Bible and how that is applied to us today.

He then talks about suffering he inflicted upon himself as he pursued his own goals and achievements. How did God bring him back to Himself in this suffering?

And lastly, we take some time to discuss the recent tragedy in Chad's life as he and his family mourn the death of Chad's son Luke, who died last summer in a hiking accident. Where is God in our grief? What promises can we cling to?

Check Chad out on 1517.org and on the 40 Minutes in the Old Testament podcast