Johann Wald and Ben Cardew examine the impact of COVID on the summer anthem: what will become of the ubiquitous summer hit when no one can go outside to enjoy it? The episode features a brief interview clip with Alan Braxe, one third of Stardust, in which he talks about creating one of the biggest summer anthems of all time, Music Sound Better With You; and our album of the week is from Perfume Genius.