Content Note: This episode includes a brief mention of a suicide attempt and subsequent hospitalization.

Jolene is joined by Luca for a conversation about a lot of things, including: trans children and trans childhood, the continuity between trans childhood and the rest of the community, ballet and gender norms within it, movement, playful and silly genders, how trans people are really the same across ages and generations, playing gender tag, and more!

The intro and outro music is by Lynn July. You can listen to more of her music at: https://tinytachyon.bandcamp.com/

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