Jay and Matthew discuss custody issues, mental illness, and a man who visits Egypt. After an aborted attempt to drink teas and juices, they enjoy the sun’s last dying rays with Montreal-based artist Summer (@heaberald), who opens up about who she really is and what it is she is all about.

The episode ends with an alarming screech, which can be removed by subscribing to patreon.com/thosetimelesscreatives