The Athletic's Raphel Honigstein is joined by Christoph Biermann and Kevin Hatchard to discuss the fallout from the Super League debacle, looking at whether after years of being outliers German fans may now be caught up by their English counterparts when it comes to organised fan power.

There's also reaction to the midweek games in the Bundesliga as a wobbly Marco Reus keeps Dortmund's Champions League hopes alive, ugly scenes as Schalke are finally relegated, and a big win for Mainz gives Werder Bremen cause for concern.

All this plus the latest instalment of Hansi Flick v Hasan Salihamidžić

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