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In this episode we join Colm as he heads over to chat with John Swinton, a theologian and a world leader in disability theology.  John is also the chair in Divinity and Religious Studies, Professor of Practical Theology and Pastoral Care, University of Aberdeen. 

Colm talks with John about the journey he has been on in his career, and what has led him to do what he does now. They talk about knowing the whole person, and how important it is for that to inform the way we care and communicate. 

We hear from Clare and Jim once again, talking about the initial reactions of their family and friends after Clare’s diagnosis. 

During IDC John finds a time to share his thoughts with Ailsa, on what makes a person, and how memory is often assumed by society to be what makes us up.  

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