They both share personal stories of how their families approached confronting their addictions. Louis also goes into detail on the struggle of recovery when dealing with not only the addiction itself, but also the growing consequences that come year by year.

There are lessons through all experiences, and while these learning opportunities are not always seen in the moment, both Jim and Louis reflect on what realizations and developmental plateaus they achieved along their path to recovery.

Jim and Louis also take a moment to outline the purpose of this podcast -- including hearing from you, the listeners. Whether it is questions you have or issues you may be struggling with, Louis and Jim are continuing to grow this platform to reach as many people as possible to offer guidance, perspective, connection, and support.